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How to: Excelsior / Eclipse clutch nut

March 4, 2010

Things were developing pretty quickly in 1915 and 1916.  As the bike makers began to add 3 speed gearboxes and clutches to motorbicycles, there was no standard design.  Each engineer and designer gave their best effort to provide what the buying public so dearly wanted.  Between the 1914 models and the 1915 versions, many things were updated.  Wheels and tires went from 28”x2” to 28”x3” (outside diameter stayed at 28”, but the sidewall height was increased, which meant a new size of rim and spokes).  The 15 Excelsior was the first of the big bike makers to feature a streamlined tank and fenders (mudguards).  IMG_1956An even bigger change was the addition of countershaft gearboxes.  Excelsior chose to use the Eclipse brand of clutch, with the proprietary X 3 speed gearbox.  Which brings us to today’s article on how to make a special nut to hold an Eclipse clutch onto an Excelsior gearbox….

 

Excelsior used some interesting threads and fasteners when they designed their bikes during the 19teens.  It isn’t entirely their fault, as the now-common thread sizes were not commonly adopted back then.  For example 1/4”-24 was used by X, while others used 1/4”-20 or 1/4”-28.  The nut that we will be playing with has a 3/4-18 thread  — 3/4” in diameter, 18 teeth per inch.  That sounds great, until you try to find one.  Today, nuts come in 3/4 coarse, 3/4 fine or 3/4 extra fine, which are 10, 16 and 20 threads per inch respectively.  Please note that none of these happen to be 18 tpi.  damn.

 

IMG_2821The second big issue with this nut is that the clutch hub is too small for a socket or a wrench to fit onto a hexagon nut.  So X made the nut round.  nice and round…  The Damned Previous Owner (DPO) of my bike used a hammer and chisel to tighten and loosen the nut, which gives the nut such a nice patina.  I know that some folks love a good patina.  If they want ‘em, these two are for sale, cheap!

 

Now to fire up the lathe and make some of these simple parts.  The first step is to buy some good material.  I used 41L40 steel for these parts, bought from McMaster Carr and delivered via UPS the next day.  The 4140 refers to the alloying elements in the steel.  This is commonly called Chrome Moly steel, due to the chromium and molybdenum.  ChroMo is a great material, which the prewar guys  (pre- Great War) didn’t have at their disposal.  It became commonly available during WWII.  The “L” in 41L40 is lead, which make the metal much easier to machine on the lathe, due to the lubricity of lead.  I did my best not to lick, chew or swallow any lead during the fabrication of these parts, lest the OSHA guys pay me a visit.  You’ll note that I have partially joined the modern age, and do not use a treadle lathe.  🙂

 

 

When the ID, OD and threads were cut, it was simple matter of cutting the part to length, facing it off, then dropping it into the vice jaws on the mill.  These threads were cut with single point cutting of the threads, but tapping would be simpler to do.  Custom taps are available, even 3/4-18 taps, from places like Rutland Airgas.  Once in the mill, it was just a few passes with a 1/4 endmill to get into the groove –as they said back in the disco era.

 

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With the 1/4” slot cut into the part, it was complete and ready to fit onto the bike.  (nickel plating will happen later, and I’ll have to do several articles on HOW TO: NICKEL PLATE).  Here is a shot of old and new parts.

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IMG_2004But how to tighten such an odd little nut?   My friend Mike G. came to the rescue, by loaning me his very low mileage 1917 Excelsior to measure and photograph.  His bike is so complete and unmolested that it still has the factory tools in the toolbox!  Here is a pic of the correct tool, with Mike’s correct nut installed.

 

IMG_2850When scanning the X parts list two items come to our attention.  CP-19 is the tool and CP-5 is the nut.  It is nice to see what they looked like new, although I was able to measure up Mike’s parts and my parts with enough accuracy to make replacement parts. 

 

Now to make a tool.  First step is to purchase material.  These are made from 4142 (ChromeMoly rectangular bar), again from McMaster.  Into the mill, cut a few sides, then a slot and a hole…

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Ha Presto:

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With rounded corners on the tools:IMG_2837

 

Time to fit onto the bike.

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And a new nut for the engine mainshaft.  X conveniently decided to cut the same size threads on the gearbox mainshaft and on the crankshaft.

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Here the tool is shown with a 1/2 mild steel round bar.   Note the lack of clearance for a standard hex nut and socket…

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That’s it.  I made a few parts for myself, and a few for the ebay buyers.  I’ll lose money on the total venture, once we calculate the cost to buy the tooling, the raw material, and if I value my time at say, $5 per hour.  Don’t fool yourself into thinking that restoring bikes or making parts will result in a net monetary gain.  I lose $ on just about everything that I do.  But what is the value of knowing that it was done right? 

This bike will soon be 100 years old.  I hope that somebody is riding it when it celebrates 200 years.

Enjoy your time in the shop. 

Pete

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4 Comments leave one →
  1. Kevin Badby permalink
    April 13, 2010 1:18 am

    Hi Pete i found your article interesting as i am presantly restoring a 1916 Excelsior. do you no of any body that is remaking eclipse clutch parts. i need clutch plates and
    item cp 14
    cp12
    and
    cp18
    my problem is i dont no wot they look like any help would be appreciated thanksKevin

    • Pete Young permalink*
      April 13, 2010 10:09 am

      Hi Kevin.

      I don’t have spares of those parts, but I’ll take some photos of mine and send them to you. I don’t think that anybody is selling repops of them, but check with Antique Motorcycle works up in Oregon, they may have some old parts. Their link is in the other article about Excelsior clutches. You can always check eBay, but these parts only come up around once every year or two. Set up a ebay search, and it will email you when the next auction happens with those key words in it. Also, check the Yahoo Group for Excelsior owners: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/excelsior_big_x/

      ciao,
      Pete

  2. Paul Louis Venne permalink
    August 22, 2010 9:52 pm

    Pete, Great stuff. I might want those used nuts. I am restoring a 1916 Excelsior also. My main problem that is left to do on the bike is sort out the binding kick starter gear and kicker segment gear. I am currently overseas, but hope we can stay in touch. Thanks, Paul Venne Bangkok, Thailand

    • Pete Young permalink*
      August 22, 2010 9:58 pm

      Hi Paul. The kicker gear and gear segment on my bike don’t mesh well either. But they are loose, not tight. I’ve thought about making an eccentric bushing for the kicker shaft, then rotating it in the gearbox until the gears mesh better. But there isn’t much meat there to work with. Maybe after the Cannonball, I’ll play with it again. Stay in touch, it would be good to see you when you are back.
      Pete

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